In this video I look at how ideologies of ‘identity’ like feminism are really just a means to justify the indulgence in self-serving interpretations and narratives.
Kathryn: There needs to be the question asked as to WHY women are not applying. And if they do apply, why are they not accepted or why do they not complete the various science based programs.
If it is because of the way they are treated, humiliated, told to get the sandwiches or coffee because they are the only girl in the study group, then something has to be done about it. There are still cases where women with full PhDs are entering the meeting room and being asked if they brought the coffee. Until MEN get it out of their system and treat all women as equal, this discussion has to be made.
Going to Getugly: Kathryn, you need to learn to distinguish between presenting cliché, fantasy scenarios to justify your self-serving conceptions and knowing something true based on objectively demonstrable reality. Let me help…. What you, feminists, Leftists and all people who don’t know how to think do is you start with the conclusion that appeals to your ego… and then you subjectively generate self-confirming scenarios that seem to you to be the kind of things that would probably be true if your conclusion was true. And that circular, internal, completely subjective process is what passes for adequate reasoning about the world to you, to feminists and to Leftists in general.
You need to teach yourself to not do that if you want to stop mistaking your subjective impressions and biases for what is really going on out here on the other side of your skull.
In this Going To Getugly video: White privilege. Mansplaining. Rape culture. Wage gap…. It seems that as quickly as these terms are manufactured they are adopted and parroted by people eager to demonstrate their conformity.
Going to Getugly was censored and then blocked from Facebook for the past week. My previous post goes into the gory details and demonstrates that what gets designated as contravening Facebook’s highfalutin ‘Community Standards’ has little if anything to do with their own morally excellent criteria and a whole heck of a lot to do with ideological conformity.
Without going into the specifics again, the particular comment that apparently transgressed all norms of human decency criticized those who seek to advance the social and political agenda of feminist ideology for their habit of bypassing any observations or insights that conflict with their preferred conclusions.
In other words, if there is a discrepancy between reality and feminist conceptions… it is reality that must be sacrificed.
Which leads me to the issue that inspired all of the ruckus and censorship in the first place: The ‘gender pay gap’. Or more specifically, the unabashedly Orwellian manner with which feminist ideologues have taken the very argument that thoroughly debunked their original premise and not only now claim it as their own… they claim that it was always their own and that it still proves the reality of systemic discrimination against women in the form of the ‘pay gap’.
Confused? Well, I suspect that was the ultimate intention all along. But I can break it down for you:
- The continuing relevance of the ideology of feminism and the political power of its leadership in society is entirely dependant on the widespread perception of women as victims of systemic, culturally entrenched discrimination and oppression by men. Unfortunately for feminists, it is a premise that is at odds with the objective reality of contemporary Western societies.
- Women being paid less than men for the same work was at one time a clear and indisputable example of genuine discrimination based on sex. If it could be shown that decades after the ‘sexual revolution’ of the 60’s and 70’s nothing has changed… it would be a major validation for the persistence of feminist activism and a justification for diverting more power and resources to feminist causes and organisations.
- As a strategy for justifying their continued relevance and to draw power and influence to themselves, feminist ideologues generated statistics for the earnings of men and women in the workforce which revealed a higher level of income for men on average than women. These findings were used by feminists as propaganda to implicitly and explicitly promote the perception that women were still being paid less than men for the same work :
- Barack Obama re-election campaign, 2012: ““The son of a single mom, proud father of two daughters, President Obama knows that women being paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men isn’t just unfair, it hurts families,”
- Forbes Magazine, 2016: “And the National Organization for Women website states : “For full-time, year-round workers, women are paid on average only 77 percent of what men are paid… Women still are not receiving equal pay for equal work…”
- Huffington Post, 2012: “According to “Graduating to a Pay Gap” publicity materials, “The AAUW today released a new study showing that just one year out of college, millennial women are paid 82 cents for every dollar paid to their male peers. Women are paid less than men even when they do the same work and major in the same field.”
- Scary Mommy website: “It pays to look like Donald Trump — which is to say the wage gap is real and women of all races make less than white men for doing the same work.”
- Linda Hallman, former executive director of the American Association of University Women (AAUW), 2015: “Think about it: Women have to work almost four months longer than men do to earn the same amount of money for doing the same job.”
- Feminist activist Judy Bindell, The Guardian, 2017: “The fact that men are paid more than women for doing the same or similar job is well-known.”
- The Conversation magazine, 2016: “The gender pay gap is similarly stubborn. Laura Bates, founder of the wonderful but depressing Everyday Sexism Project is especially clear on the facts in this contentious area…. This is not dependent on education, skills, or experience – women are paid less for doing the same work as men immediately post-graduation, for example.”
4. Almost immediately, this claim was debunked as a misrepresentation of the statistical evidence. People like Christina Hoff Sommers, Warren Farrell, Milo Yiannopoulos and many, many others tirelessly demonstrated that the statistics were based on the median incomes of the entire working population without accounting for the different types of jobs people had, number of hours worked, education level, how long individuals stayed in the workforce etc.. In fact, they showed that when these relevant factors are taken into account the pay gap evaporates or even shows a slight advantage for working women.
But as the list of quotes above demonstrates, feminist ideologues and those who pander to them in the political class were not about to let objective reality get in the way of a useful narrative. They continued to push what Causeway Capital Management CEO Sarah Ketterer called in the Wall Street Journal “The ‘Wage Gap’ Myth That Won’t Die” even as the credibility of the claim became less and less viable.
5. Now even feminists appear to have recognised the failed strategy of insisting that statistics support their desired conclusion when they clearly don’t. But rather than taking a moment to reassess the quality of their concepts and the integrity of their arguments… they are doing what feminists, Leftists and ideologues in general always do when they lose the argument: a) Pretend that none of that happened; b) Ignore that their cause and the quality of their reasoning has been completely discredited; c) Come up with a completely different argument and once again proclaim themselves to be 100% right and everyone who disagrees to be stupid.
In this case they have taken the argument that these statistics show only the median difference in pay between men and women in the workforce overall… which, as I mentioned, is the argument that was used by their opponents to debunk their original pay gap premise… and repurposed it by tacking on a wacky new interpretation which they say makes the pay gap real and which they claim was always their argument from the start: It was never that women get paid less than men for the same jobs (objectively verifiable discrimination based on gender)… but that the jobs in which women tend to dominate are ‘undervalued’ (a completely subjective, hypothetical abstraction) apparently because men are jerks or something.
You are on the right track if all of this reminds you of the famous passage from Orwell’s 1984, “Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”
This is the embarrassing but completely predictable result anytime you hitch yourself to a conclusion rather than pursuing what is true. If your justifications for your conclusion are shown to be lousy it means you’re now on the hook for another argument to rationalize your continuing commitment to it. And since your first argument was probably your best one, it’s inevitable that whatever you cobble together as your second crack at it will be even lousier and that much further removed from logic and reality.
Of course, like all ideologues, feminists don’t care much for logic, reality and truth. In fact, such concerns are a hindrance to the ultimate priority of preserving their treasured, ego gratifying conclusion that they are eternal victims of tyrannical oppression by intrinsically mean, evil and all-powerful men.
Here is a sample of comments about the Q&A video which demonstrate how thoroughly feminism’s ‘outer-party members’ internalize the messaging and the ‘new’ history provided to them by the ‘Party’ :
Robyn: What both the questioner and ‘Clinical Psychologist Jordan Peterson’, along with most of those who have commented here, have failed to recognise is the ‘gender pay gap’ dose not relate to individual roles. Whether the gap is due to a uni-variable or a multi-variable as Peterson highlighted is totally irrelevant.
The gender pay gap refers to the MEDIAN pay for males and females. The median pay for males is higher than the median pay for females – therefore the gender pay gap is the difference between median male earnings and median female earnings! Do I need to explain what the median is?
Going to Getugly: People who announce “no one understands this except me” strangely seem completely unprepared to justify that flattering self-assessment.
What was your motivation for claiming that something that is self-evident, something that everyone is well aware of is something that only you know about? i,e. – “What both the questioner and ‘Clinical Psychologist Jordan Peterson’, along with most of those who have commented here, have failed to recognise is the ‘gender pay gap’ dose not relate to individual roles.” What point are you trying to make? What point are you attempting to make by making the fallacious assertion “Whether the gap is due to a uni-variable or a multi-variable as Peterson highlighted is totally irrelevant”? What point are you trying to make by pointing out the obvious: “The median pay for males is higher than the median pay for females – therefore the gender pay gap is the difference between median male earnings and median female earnings!”?
Nicky: Gender pay gap is not just about equal pay for equal work. That’s a strawman
Going to Getugly: “Gender pay gap is not just about equal pay for equal work.” But that WAS explicitly what it was about a few years ago when these statistics were first used to support the concept of a pay gap.
The fact that the only way you can generate a ‘pay gap’ is if you lump everyone in the workforce together and take the overall median pay between males and females was DISGUISED or not acknowledged by feminists for YEARS. That’s because the original premise for which they were trying to manufacture evidence was that women were paid less than men for THE SAME work.
Feminists denied or ignored the fact that theses statistics were deliberately misleading until their claim was so universally debunked by people like Christina Hoff Sommers, Warren Farrell and many, many others that it became embarrassing.
Now they’ve adopted a strategy which you have apparently bought into that is straight out of Orwell: Ignore the fact that the stats didn’t prove the conclusion that they wanted; pretend that highlighting the difference in ‘median’ pay was the point all along and invent a ludicrous premise to justify claiming that those stats now prove the desired conclusion.
In other words, rather than letting objective reality dictate their perception of the world… they generate subjective narratives to allow themselves to continue believing in the absolute perfection of their preferred interpretation regardless of what the objective world is doing.
Nicky: Funny that I’ve been a feminist for 20 plus years and have never argued that its just about same job, same pay. I guess I never received the memo lol. Regardless its not us trying to misrepresent the statistics in this discussion. That’s for sure.
Yeah. That’s for sure.
Yes folks… if you are critical of feminists and mention the objective fact that they are women you will be reprimanded by Facebook, have your comments censored and be at least temporarily banned from their platform. They also warn that unless you learn your lesson you could be banned permanently. So you better behave.
I received the message above from Facebook today along with notification that I’ve been locked out of my account. As you see, they provided a copy of the comment that allegedly transgresses the high standards of respectful discourse that we all know Facebook dutifully and uniformly enforces for anyone commenting on the feeds of major media outlets like the CBC, the ABC, The AGE, The Globe and Mail, CNN etc..
In this circumstance the comment was on the Facebook feed of the Australian public broadcaster’s weekly panel show Q&A. It was in response to a video clip taken from a recent episode in which an audience member posed a question to panelist Harriet Harman of the Labour Party in the UK. The question loosely referenced Canadian clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson’s critique of the standard feminist conceptualization of the ‘gender pay gap’. I encourage everyone to watch the clip below and decide for yourself if my criticism of Harman’s response isn’t at least justifiable if not spot on.
Regardless of whether or not anyone agrees with my assessment of Harman’s response, to claim that it represents an “attack” on anyone “based on race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, gender or disability” is blatantly false. It is a lie.
Remember the old saying attributed to Voltaire about how to identify the truly privileged class in society? It goes like this: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
Isn’t it oddly Orwellian how often it is these days that the very people who constantly proclaim themselves to be the victims of societal systemic oppression are precisely the people who are protected from criticism by that very same system?
As anyone who has even a casual familiarity with the degree of uninhibited maliciousness that routinely passes Facebook’s incredibly rigorous ‘Community Standards’ will know… the idea that some policy of prejudice-free, moral excellence compels them to remove posts that ‘attack people based on race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, gender or disability‘ is an absurd and dishonest joke.
And of course, the fact that my comment doesn’t meet any of their own criteria for censure doesn’t really matter. The only thing I ‘attacked’ was the willingness to engage in “intellectual dishonesty” by the people who are pushing the discredited notion of a ‘pay gap’. The fact that those people are women and feminists is… sorry folks… just that, an objective fact. I clearly didn’t ‘attack’ anyone because they are women. What I ‘attacked’… or to put it less hyperbolically, what I criticized…. was the atrocious and disingenuous reasoning demonstrated by using deflection as a tactic to avoid addressing the flaws in their argument.
In other words, I criticised their ideas. I did not ‘attack’ their gender.
Now contrast my comment with a small sampling of what the arbiters of respectful discourse and decency at Facebook apparently regard as meeting or surpassing the lofty ideals of their Community Standards. Pay particular attention to the deep commitment these paragons of virtuous elocution demonstrate to the noble principle of never ‘attacking’ anyone based on race, gender, age, blah blah blah….
Mandy Noone: It’s not about what any guy (let alone OLD WHITE GUYS) thinks
Sharon Knighton: How unusual that a MIDDLE AGED WHITE MAN doesn’t understand female repression. I’m stunned!
Joe McDermott: It looks so sad to see OLD WHITE MEN insisting that women arent in danger of being oppressed. im guessing you’re not much of a student of history or politics in your spare time.
Kim Robinson: Another WHITE MIDDLE AGED MALE mansplaining to women what/how the should feel/experience so predictable.
New Going to Getugly video: Just as ‘progressive’-Left ideology manufactures a flattering generic identity for its adherents… it also manufactures a generic, dehumanizing identity for anyone who doesn’t conform to its worldview.
There is a debating tactic favoured by all older sisters when they are around the age of 12 and which every younger sibling knows all too well. It would be deployed at times when the older girl was clearly in the wrong, in danger of losing an argument or simply wanted to indulge in some behavior that impacted negatively on her brother or sister. It was a particularly immature strategy which involved adopting a deliberately pompous, shamelessly arrogant and obnoxious tone and using purposefully condescending, insulting language towards her younger opponent. It would go something like this: “Oh, poor BABY! Is the widdle woo-woo gonna cwy about it? Let me kiss da booboo better!” The intention was to humiliate, degrade and convey her utter, cold contempt for the feelings and interests of the other person. Not very edifying behaviour. But hey, we’re talking about 12 year old girls. What do you expect, right?
Well, one thing I expect is that such infantile, narcissistic self-indulgence would be long outgrown by the time those petulant little girls were old enough to be employed as professional writers for major media companies. I would expect such women to hold themselves to appropriate adult-level standards of journalism and rational thinking.
Judging from this column in the Age ( link: Men, hush now. Let us womansplain it to you) my expectations were misplaced.
Keep in mind that the following lines were written by a grown woman, Jacqueline Maley… a professional ‘journalist’… who evidently thought this was an appropriate manner with which to express serious ideas to sophisticated thinking adults in a major news publication:
“Men, hush now. Let us woman-splain it to you.”
“Is there any way men can speak up about sexual harassment and the #metoo movement without sounding stupid, sexist and part of the problem?
“Man-actors, maybe it’s time for you to be quiet, dears. Look pretty, act in your action movies, dress up nicely on the red carpet, and for the moment, at least, leave the talking to the ladies.”
The fact that Jacqueline would not be embarrassed to represent the quality of her intellect with this level of rhetoric is sad. Very, very sad. That Fairfax Media would publish this juvenile tripe as legitimate, professional commentary is mind boggling.
But such is the era in which we now live. It’s why the public must come to terms with the fact that whatever social outrage the mainstream media happens to be pushing… whether it’s the now completely forgotten hysteria over Nazis popping out of the woodwork a couple of months ago or the current hysteria over sexual harassment…. the narrative is likely 1 percent related to something real and 99 percent ideologically derived, manufactured outrage driven by the media.
At least this terrible column provided the impetus for the somewhat heated exchanges below about the awful expression ‘mansplaining’… which culminated in what should be considered… in my humble opinion… the ultimate deconstruction of the shallowness of this self-infantilising, ludicrous expression.
The exchange starts with Pasha offering an excellent description of the inherent hypocrisy of using this recently invented phrase. Marcica quickly chimes in with some predictable circular reasoning to defend its use…. at which point I enter the fray in my usual demure manner. Kittie stumbles into the scene somewhat blindly… and ‘White Knight’ Campbell arrives on his steed to salvage her honour! He is quickly slapped off his saddle… at which point the main event begins with male feminist (Ughhhhh! I KNOW!) Paul’s attempt to set me straight. Enjoy! :
Pasha : The concept of “Mansplaining” epitomises sexism: it dismisses an argument based on gender of the person making it. When open, all inclusive public deliberation is rejected, only violence remains.
Marcica: Wrong. Mansplaining is a patronising explanation not a difference of opinion.
– Going to Getugly: Marcica, “mansplaining” is a silly, generic slogan used by under confident women who can’t tolerate having their sense of their own authority challenged. It’s self-infantilising. Calling it “a patronising explanation” reflects your sense of your own subordination in the dynamic.
Kittie: In your opinion.
– Going to Getugly: “In your opinion”? What kind of thinking adult’s response is that?
Campbell: See that there? Textbook patronising.
– Going to Getugly: No Campbell. ‘That there’ is a valid question in response to a childish rebuttal.
This is “textbook patronising”: “Oh no! I think he’s patronising someone! I’m going to signal my virtuousness and post a comment about it… as opposed to using reason like an adult to address the points he raised!”
Kittie: You raised no valid points….just more mansplaining.
– Going to Getugly: That’s a great example of what this silly ‘mansplaining’ slogan is really about. In this context, “You raised no valid points” means ” I don’t like what you’ve said but I have no rationally valid reason to take issue with it…. so, “mansplaining”.
Paul: Someone please explain to this guy what mansplaining actually is
– Going to Getugly: Paul, I’m sure you will get all the pats on the head from feminists that you’re clearly looking for by so randomly signalling your submissiveness to their childish concepts. Here’s an idea… instead of reasoning like a feminist and making snarky emotional comments…. why don’t you make an effort to demonstrate that you can think like a grown man? Why don’t you explain what “mansplaining” actually is? Wouldn’t that be simpler?
Paul: jeez m9[sic] settle petal. As was stated above, it’s explaining something to a woman because you think as a woman she doesn’t understand the concept even though she may be inherently more qualified than you (yeah I know right, women can be more qualified than men for a given task? Mind-blowing stuff) and what do you mean by ‘looking for feminists?’ I hope you’re not implying (like so many do) that I just say these things to ‘get laid’ because that is not a motivator for morality for me.
– Going To Getugly: Okay… so you are repeating the generic justification that women who use the ridiculous expression always use.
And according to your own definition, the premise of ‘mansplaining’ relies entirely on the woman attributing motives to a man who doesn’t agree with her or who fails to tell her she’s correct. The motive being attributed is that the man believes the woman doesn’t understand something based exclusively on the fact that she is a woman.
Tell me, how does the woman know that this is the man’s motive?
How does she objectively single out that one motive in particular from every other potential motive he could have for not agreeing with her? How does she know that he wouldn’t say the same thing to another man? How does she know that he doesn’t genuinely just think she is incorrect? What objective metrics is the woman employing that provides her with such an unobstructed view into the soul of another person that she can so definitively proclaim to know his deepest motivations in this situation?
Of course, the only motives that the woman is actually capable of knowing are her own. But that requires not only the capacity for self-awareness and honest self-critique… but also an active interest in knowing to what degree one’s own motivations are particularly virtuous.
Would it not be wise and far more mature for her to scrutinize her own motivations for how she is reacting before reflexively concerning herself with inventing motivations for the other person?
For instance, how certain is she that it’s not her own ego…. not his… that is too fragile to handle being challenged by the opposite sex? Perhaps she is simply having a negative emotional reaction to a man disagreeing with her and is indulging in pettiness by applying a convenient label to him to compensate for her own insecurity and wounded pride? Has she thought about that?
Has she given serious thought to the fact that attributing sinister motives as an explanation for someone disagreeing with you is a purely subjective, self-serving form of circular reasoning and is logically fallacious?
Has she reflected on the fact that she is a total hypocrite for trying to undermine the man’s point of view by using a demeaning phrase to dismiss it based entirely on his gender? Isn’t that what she is accusing him of doing and condemning him for it?
Frankly Paul, since it’s safe to say that none of this has ever occurred to the women who have latched onto this dumb slogan… I’m equally confident that none of that has occurred to you either.
Ultimately, this is a reflection of much bigger and pervasive problem: There are too many intellectually lazy people these days who uncritically and reflexively internalise fashionable, ideologically derived concepts which are propagated by the mass media… and who mistake that for being intellectually and ethically sophisticated.
In other words… ‘If I believe what is popular to believe that makes me good.’
I would recommend cultivating an instinct for autonomous critical thinking as the antidote.
Finally, you write, “I hope you’re not implying (like so many do) that I just say these things to ‘get laid’ because that is not a motivator for morality for me.”
I have no idea what you do to ‘get laid’ nor is it a subject in which I have any interest.
I do believe however that you have acquiesced to conditioning that is telling men they are obliged to be submissive to women in general and feminist ideology in particular if they want to consider themselves ‘moral’.
Oh yeah… and Paul did in fact get the pat on the head he was looking for:
Vee: Paul , lovely to hear a voice of reason in amongst the twerps. Thanks